Weep For Gazza
7 January 2009 | 1,699 viewsThis is the last chance:
England football legend Paul Gascoigne said drink and drug addiction nearly killed him in 2008 and knows he is now on his last chance to save himself.
In an interview published on Friday, Gascoigne, 41, who is in a rehabilitation clinic on the southern English coast trying to get his life back in order, said going back on the booze would be the death of him.
“This is my last chance,” the fallen idol told The Sun newspaper.
“My mate Jimmy ‘Five Bellies’ says I’ve got more lives than a cat, and he’s right. But this is my last one.”
Gascoigne has battled alcoholism and depression since his playing days. Last year he was sectioned under British mental health laws. [Associated Press via The Australian]
I know, I know … this is not the time for jokes that are in poor taste.
But look at it this way — both Gazza and Gaza are fucked.
The blood of the Palestinian women and children are on the hands of not just the Israeli invaders, but Hamas as well.
And I say Hamas is worse than the Israelis, because they hide behind their women and children.
The Israelis are cruel, but Hamas is crueler.
Hamas is nothing but a bunch of cowards, because it doesn’t actually fight Israel.
All Hamas does is lob largely ineffective rockets into Israel with the intention of provoking it into retaliating in a manner that we all know Israel is capable of.
That’s all that Hamas does in its so-called struggle to free Palestinians from Israeli subjugation.
Fucking stupid and useless. That’s what Hamas is.
You know what these brainless morons said the other day? Here:
… a Hamas leader warned that the Islamists would kill Jewish children anywhere in the world in revenge for Israel’s devastating assault.
“They have legitimised the murder of their own children by killing the children of Palestine,” Mahmoud Zahar said in a televised broadcast recorded at a secret location.
“They have legitimised the killing of their people all over the world by killing our people.” [The Times of London]
First, note that the fucking coward was safely ensconced in “a secret location” while he threatened to murder children.
Second, how in God’s Most Holy Name could you even think of murdering children, let alone justify it?
They are children, for God’s sake.
They are utterly innocent. Sinless. Pure.
And listen to this other coward:
Abu Obeida, the leader of Hamas’s military wing, made his first appearance on Gaza television, his face masked in a red and white scarf, to goad Israeli forces massed outside the teeming city of 400,000 people. “We have prepared thousands of brave fighters who are waiting for you in each corner of the street and will welcome you with fire and iron,” he said.
I wonder if Abu Obeida is or will be among the waiting “thousands of brave fighters”.
“Welcome you with fire and iron” my ass.
Can you see how laughable this supposed threat is?
First of all, you’re threatening soldiers.
Soldiers are trained to handle “fire and iron”. That’s their job.
Second, these are Israeli soldiers.
Israeli soldiers were born with “fire and iron”. They sleep with it. They eat “fire and iron” for breakfast.
All that big talk is pure bullshit because we know Hamas is gonna get their ass kicked.
Morons.
So weep for the women and children of Gaza, for many more will die before this is over.
Weep, for ultimately, no one around them gives a shit about their safety and their lives.
Not Israel. Not Hamas.
60 Responses to “Weep For Gazza”
1 mike 8 January 2009 @ 12:33 am
I weep for the innocent and the evil that men do.
2 nstman 8 January 2009 @ 2:22 am
Aisehman, you berani cakap. Be careful, Malaysian Hamas apologists and goons will be going after you. Hamas is a sacred institution in this country. If I were you, I better leave the country. This is for your own good. I dont want to see you beheaded.
3 bayi 8 January 2009 @ 6:06 am
Excellent perspective. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
4 Ted Teh 8 January 2009 @ 9:40 am
Tears well in my eyes when i see the images of murdered babies and children. and it angers me when people try to justify this war on both sides.
true Israel and HAMAS are the murderers and those responsible will face judgement someday, probably not in this world but hopefully in the next. GOD i hope u are listening.
WHY ARE HUMANS YOUR GREATEST CREATIONS SO CRUEL?
5 Mahindra 8 January 2009 @ 9:54 am
I wonder why the Palestinians would vote these Hamas into power instead of the Fatah?? They were screwed by the Hamas.
6 juslo 8 January 2009 @ 9:59 am
i agree with u entirely but i DONT weep for that alcoholic. while many women n children all over the world would ‘die’ for a decent chance to live – like those in Gaza n West Bank – this moron just keep fucking himself up again n again. he was my hero during his ancient Euro heroics but that’s ancient history. that moron makes me puke.
“thousands of BRAVE fighters” whose faces r all masked in a red and white scarfs????? this is a FUCKING SICK MOCKERY of those who r truly brave, especially those who stay on in Gaza n West Bank n live like crammed sardines n have to endure the violence from both the zionists n the MUJAHEEDEEN instead of fleeing n live in some other country, all for the prospect of a homeland.
“All Hamas does is lob largely ineffective rockets into Israel with the intention of provoking it into retaliating” – exactly. ABSOLUTELY INEFFECTIVE rockets, actually. n yes, while they BRAVELY HIDE in ’secret locations’ n behind ‘red n white scarfs’.
yet these people dare to invoke GOD’s name.
u know, as far as i’m concerned, i wont weep for the zionists even if they r NUKED – YES, GO ON, IRAN!!! – so i would join in any protest against Israel’s action.
but the real tragedy is, most muslims would actually SUPPORT Hamas, as MUJAHIDEENS. that Aisehman can see it makes him the only 2 eyed man in the land of the blinds.
7 gwlnet 8 January 2009 @ 10:20 am
Aisehman,
U r a real gem among the M’sian Muslim, for being able to reason logically & do reality check without been blinded by yr faith.
Just finished a quick de-tour of Gaza during the last NY break. Basically business & (look-see)2 for myself in this piece of cursed land.
One will be amazed to find that the ordinary Palestinians & Jews CAN & ACTUALLY living sides by side without any conflicts.
That is IFF they r living away from the POLITICIANS! & the Palestinian kind (especially HAMAS) r the real scums.
BTW M’sians only read about the sufferings of the Palestinians under the Israelis rocket attacks. Do M’sians honestly believe those rockets from HAMAS falled into empty Jews’ lands & NO ordinary Israelis citizens (children included) r been killed, maimed &/or separated cruelly from their love one?
The local MSM might be playing/following orders, BUT r the M’sians all have lobotomy done recently?
That land is cursed by religions & no thanks to political bigots trying to use this issue to gain browny. M’sians , as an outsiders, should be act more like Aisehman in thinking.
8 rocky 8 January 2009 @ 10:44 am
bro agree with you…we weep for the children.
but there is more too this. The Palestine election is around the corner…and Hamas will win. The President tenure is suppose to end Jan,09 but disputed by PLO. Notice the silence from Egypt, PLO , certain Arab countries etc.
9 yum 8 January 2009 @ 10:55 am
phew! For a moment there, I thought you were a Sp*rs supporter.
All in well, fellow Gooners.
10 mosesfoo 8 January 2009 @ 11:12 am
A boom in the universe…Yeah!
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/090107-aas-loud-cosmic-noise.html
11 frankie 8 January 2009 @ 12:13 pm
Malaysian being ignorant and me included. What we know is from the media and it is usually one sided affair. I don’t even know before this, from year 2000, Israel and Palestinian decided to try to work together and refrain from killing each other. The then Fatah government ruled the gaza strip with Israelis and Palestinian people living with each other with many palestinian crossing over the border for work and medical care. Israel also chipped in medical supplies, water, food and energy to gaza for the palestinian even though it is ruled by the FATAH government as what the palestinian people wanted. This was not highlighted to us in this country. Yes there were Israelis soldiers in the Gaza but the presence of them does not mean Gaza was ruled by Israel. They were there for peace keeping knowing the Hamas terrorist will seize any opportunity to spoil the peace effort by Palestine and Israel. Life was much better with children getting educated, people getting jobs and medical care,
The problem is Hamas keep on suka suka firing rockets at Israel. Israel has only 6 million population but 1 million of them are always under threat by Hamas’s rocket. The children and women of Israel who were killed and injured by Hamas rocket is a non issue because we compare it with 500 palestinian killed versus 5 Israelis killed. The thing is Hamas keep on firing such rocket and in Israel, they have this alert which only allow them 15 seconds to find cover or be killed by these rockets. 15 seconds, I pee longer than that.
Israelis too felt heartbroken and sad that the children and women of Palestinians were killed because human beings have compassion for each other. The Israel government in need to survive and protect it’s people has to take such action, barbaric or not, Hamas is the target.
Aisehman is right, Hamas is the culprit. They poke at hornet’s nest or what the UMNO goons like to shout ‘menjolok sarang tebuan’. They know very well, poking at the hornet nest will result being stung. I felt very sad about the children and the people of Palaestine for the horror condition they are under, I will never be able to survive these moment. Hamas did the poking, but the palestinian people bear the brunt.
12 MekBound 8 January 2009 @ 12:22 pm
Damn those Hamas! How could they destroy the daily life of peaceful bliss (almost heavenly) of ordinary Palestinians?
Damn those Hamas for FORCEFULLY getting ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY!!
Damn those Hamas for lobbing “largely ineffective rockets into Israel” and provoking Israel into retaliation when Israel not only protects but provides an almost heaven on earth for Palestinians to live in.
Damn those Hamas for being cowards for not having effective missiles (or helicopter gunships or tanks) to fight the Israel.
Damn those Hamas for being crueler than Israel and being cowards, and not standing in plain sight during the Israel bombardment.
Damn those Hamas for not publishing their location address or phone numbers so that the Israeli military can avoid civilian deaths.
Damn those Hamas for not doing anything to the Palestinians living in the land of milk and honey (courtesy of the Israelis, of course).
Damn those Hamas for being fucking stupid and useless for not choosing to become good & honest servants of Israel.
Damn those Hamas for being morons (not knowing Israeli soldiers eat “fire and iron” for breakfast, etc) despite being harassed by them on a daily basis.
Damn those Hamas for all those bullshit talk and hiding behind a red and white scarf when they should, with their faces exposed, be attacking Israeli soldiers with their tanks, helicopters, submarines, aircraft carriers.
BTW, Aisehman, can you have your name, IC no, photo, address and phone numbers published on the website? We know you are a BRAVE man (woman?), and not morons like those damn Hamas.
Please read: Blaming the Victims – The Dominant Media Vilify Hamas (http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2009/01/blaming-victims-dominant-media-vilify.html)
13 Neil 8 January 2009 @ 12:51 pm
Palestine was the world’s tragedy at the end of the last century. It shouldn’t have to be the world’s tragedy at the beginning of this century.
How many more women and children have to die for that spittle of land before sanity prevails?
The israelis shoot their airborne missiles guided by satellite maps. The palestinians shoot their ground-launched rockets guided by human estimation. One has more ordnance and military intelligence than the other. It’s a one-sided war. If Hamas tries to make it asymmetric by invoking global indignation, it must realize that will only translate into jihadic destruction, first of other innocents, then of peaceful muslims. How can this serve the long-term cause of any faith and people?
The muslim world needs knowledge to improve their lives, not weapons for revenge. They need capital, equipment and know-how to rebuild their economies. Fighting will only delay the process to progress. Without modern progress, there will be no modern solution for anything.
Unlike what you see in the rapid progress in the Gulf states, people are not going to pump in those things into a place known only for fighting and dying.
The deepest faith is faith in justice that will be meted on those who practise intransigence against their fellow men. What the israelis have done to so many of the palestinians, let there be faith they will face their own sentence in time to come. But the palestinians should move on to forge peace and world leaders should strike a new economic plan to help them rebuild their economy based on a more enduring and peaceful coexistence than what the hamas of today have been so eager to unseat.
14 Aisehman 8 January 2009 @ 2:21 pm
MekBound,
Did I say I supported Israel or did not care about Palestinian suffering?
All I said was Hamas is fucking stupid.
And they are, don’t you think?
Please, they lost all credibility with me when they said it was okay to murder children.
This is the sort of mentality you’re dealing with.
I ask you this: If by some miracle the Israelis say the Palestinians can have their land back, do you think Hamas will lay down its arms and live peacefully with the Israelis?
MekBound, who is as anonymous as I am, this is an organisation that officially has as its ultimate goal, the destruction of Israel.
They won’t stop even if God himself told them to stop.
You know why?
If there is peace, there is no struggle. And when there is no struggle, there is no Hamas.
15 lucia 8 January 2009 @ 2:27 pm
“israel is cruel. hamas is crueler.”
very true indeed but how many people, esp. the muslim, will agree on that? all they do is to blame israel and israel only. like those protestors, including the son-in-law, shouting hoarse against israel. yes they also refuse to see that hamas is a f**king coward, as you pointed out. it’s so sad that hamas is using children as shield.
you have very good points here, including the comments. i will link this post of yours to my blog to blog on this issue.
16 Mahindra 8 January 2009 @ 4:13 pm
Aisheman is right. Even the majority of Arabs donot support Hamas except the Syrian Arab & the Iranians.
Now everybody condemn Israelis because they are killing the civilians, women & children. Hamas wanted to stay in power. That’s what they’re trying to do.
Similarly, our BN trying to invoke fear of recurring May 13 in the previous GE, but luckily most of us didnot take the bait.
17 jibbief 8 January 2009 @ 4:20 pm
This organisation should rightfully be called Ham Ass. That’s where all their leaders cabut to when the Israelis come a calling. It’s alright for Ham Ass to kill Israeli civilians but when the Israelis kill Palestinian civilians, the Muslim world jumps like berok kena belacan.
Get real-lah! The Jews know what suffering is all about. They can tell you stories until you die and still will not finish. Oh, by the way, whose God is greater?
18 sunshine 8 January 2009 @ 5:18 pm
aisehman is right.
aisehman is a gem.
aisehman is spot on.
aisehman is a gooners? what is that anyway? eggs?
aisehman, i agree with you.
those were the comments thrown on this particular subject.
maybe aisehman used to live in concentration camp before.
maybe aisehman is indeed a refugee earning a decent living in msia now.
maybe aisehman is a true-blue muslim.
maybe aisehman is willing to give his life away for others.
BUT, how can this be when..
aisehman wouldn’t even declare to the world and his ‘fanbase’ who he is.
if only i could see you eye to eye, aisehman
19 mosesfoo 8 January 2009 @ 5:46 pm
The are many opinions, consider the one below for something deeper on Israeli psyche and the ongoing Gaza genocide
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com
20 Aisehman 8 January 2009 @ 6:53 pm
Sunshine and mosesfoo,
I say to you what I said to MekBound up there:
Did I say I supported Israel or did not care about Palestinian suffering?
Did I?
Now, is Israel deliberately targeting and killing Palestinian women and children?
Are they?
I don’t know. What good would it do to the Israeli cause to deliberately kill these people?
What do you think?
Some might say that that’s the nature of the Jew, but the only people I know who have gone on record to say they are willing to murder children is Hamas.
Now, let me ask you: Those thousands of rockets that Hamas lobbed into Israel … where do you think they landed?
On military targets?
Please. When they did hit the target, it was mostly homes.
And another thing, when the Russians went crazy on the Chechens and when the Chinese whacked the Tibetans, did you see the same level of fury among Malaysians that you see now?
Did we break off diplomatic relations with them?
Was there a loud call for a boycott of Russian or Chinese goods?
As far as I can tell, we still use Russian-made arms and our trade with the Chinese still run into the billions.
Who was it that made it easy for the Serbs to do as they pleased against the Bosnians (Muslims, by the way) if not the Russians?
Who was it that supplied arms to and is drilling for oil in the Sudan, where hundreds of thousands (of Muslims, by the way) have been killed by state-supported militias (other Muslims, by the way, but of different ethnicity), if not the Chinese?
Please.
21 MekBound 8 January 2009 @ 7:04 pm
Prologue: I don’t like to get involved in a shouting match (or get into an intellectual masturbation), so this will be my last respond on this matter.
Let me throw you and all your family (as well as relatives & friends, just for good measure) in a prison, and then torture, humiliate and do everything else a “normal human” would not typically do to another human being for 40 YEARS!
At the end of that 40-year time period, what do you think will become of you – a gentleman lounging in your silk pajama, smoking a pipe & speaking cockney English while polishing your coat-of-arms; or a wild bitter beast without any sense of “humanity” left in you?
That’s how long Israel has been occupying Palestine – 40+ YEARS – and what is happening to the Palestinian people!!!
All through the 40+ years (Israel occupied Palestine in 1967), millions of Palestinian live in terror and daily humiliation, thousands killed, many more wounded, even greater numbers imprisoned, many uncharged, tortured, and has no chance for redress in Israeli courts.
Imagine a 40-year old man who is born and raised under these vicious, horrid conditions, and are treated, not as human beings, but as a pest. He is humiliated, and worse, seeing his entire family humiliated right in front of him, every single day, 24/7! Do you expect him to have any sense of humanity or compassion towards whoever is doing all these to him, his family, friends, neighbours, people and land?
That’s Hamas’ excuse for doing what they do, but, obviously to you, Hamas are not just fucking morons, they are cowards & stupid too because they don’t behave like you – prim and proper & a gentleman all the way, in both words and manner!
I live and grew up in a safe, prosperous country that basically allows me to do whatever I like to do; but, every now and then, I too lost my sense of humanity & just want to do a lot of damage, like running over someone, especially those idiots who act as if it’s their god-given right to cut queues. Yes, I too, am a fucking moron, an idiot and a coward.
(A sidenote for my intellectual masturbation: Interestingly enough, Hamas was formed in 1987 (after 20 years of Israeli occupation), and if you take a quick survey of the age of its leadership, it averages about 40 years. Another interesting point is that Hamas was formed within the occupied territory and by Palestinians who lived under occupation, in contrast to Fatah/PLO, formed mainly by Palestinian who lived as refugees & outside occupied Palestine.)
Aisehman asked: If by some miracle the Israelis say the Palestinians can have their land back, do you think Hamas will lay down its arms and live peacefully with the Israelis?
MekBound replied: I don’t know! As I do not know what will happen when pigs can fly! I always have problem predicting the future, even without a miracle. Put the miracle element in the picture, it’s really a headbanger – way beyond my limited brain capability, and probably the answer is in the realms of the “dewa-dewa”.
But I do know this:
• Despite being labeled as a terrorist organization, Hamas HAS been conciliatory and had sought peace with Isreal. It was WILLING to recognize Israel in return for a sovereign Palestinian state inside pre-1967 borders – JUST 22% of it original homeland. But, Israel rejected any dealings with Hamas, since the Israeli has labeled it as a terrorist organization.
• In 2008 and earlier, Hamas agreed to UNILATERAL ceasefires in spite of repeated Israeli violations and continued other failures to observe international law, and Gaza in duress under siege.
You then concluded with this: If there is peace, there is no struggle. And when there is no struggle, there is no Hamas.
My reply: Duh… That’s very obvious! If peace prevails everywhere in this world, not only there will be no Hamas, there’ll probably be no Aisehman and all the other entities everywhere that are fueled by some sort of bitterness, hatred, dissatisfaction or any other negative energy.
P/S: My excuse for being anonymous? Just like Hamas, I’m a fucking stupid moron & a coward who hides behind a red scarf. What’s you excuse Aisehman?
22 Aisehman 8 January 2009 @ 7:19 pm
My excuse, MekBound?
I don’t want any trouble from the authorities, and I would like to keep my job.
That’s why I am anonymous.
Now, I know you said that that was your last response, but if you have the time, maybe you can tell me why the destruction of Israel is in the Hamas charter?
Why has it refused to change that?
Why is it not willing to recognise Israel, to use that even as a bargaining chip in negotiations?
And why does Hamas say murdering children is okay?
That was the dealbreaker for me.
Anyone who says that murdering children is okay … well, I’m sorry. Even if the person who said it was my own father or mother.
23 CPK 8 January 2009 @ 8:13 pm
I think you’ve said something that needs to be said. Sometimes the brutal home truth hurts.
I have had a very high regard for Malik Imtiaz and Azmi Sharom, and have read what they wrote on this recently. I hope they can consider the possible truths contained in this perspective as well.
There is something about this issue that makes a lot of normally sharp minds and fairminded people lose their objectivity, such that any civil and open discussion is precluded. And without that, how can there EVER be a solution?
24 kucau 8 January 2009 @ 8:14 pm
Quote Aisehman,
“Why is it not willing to recognise Israel, to use that even as a bargaining chip in negotiations?”
And all the Palestinians shall forget Al-Nakba…
http://www.alnakba.org/chronology/chronology.htm
25 harry 8 January 2009 @ 10:19 pm
Well said, aisehman.
Majority of the folks on both sides really want peace and quiet to move on but bloody Hamas continues to kill and sacrifice the innocents in the name of God. They shall burn in hell instead of rewarded with 72 virgins!
26 Karl 9 January 2009 @ 12:47 am
Aisehman:
If you read thoroughly the real color of Zionist, then you can’t simply blame HAMAS BUT Fatah instead. WHY on this earth undemocratic ARAB states support Fatah and not Hamas clearly explain that Fatah more friendly to their political taste, both of them (Arab and Fatah)were US employees.
By the way, if true I’m not supporting stupid yet moronic effort toward innocent, even though they’re Israelis.
I’m simply against your idea, labeling worse than Zionism IDF. Some quarters, even blanket Jews and Judaism, whereas even pious Jews against Israeli government. The government that promoting cruel and aggression and use violence as ARM to win Presidential Election; next Golda Meir-Tzipi Livni.
Shalom.
27 gwlnet 9 January 2009 @ 9:50 am
MekBound,
U speak just like the HAMAS radicals in Gazas! An eye for an eye! And they r a minority, even among the Palestinians!
The TRUE is ALMOST all the Palestinians & the Jews want PEACE & live & let live IFF the political scums from both sides will let them be!
U will say that HAMAS is democratically elected by the ‘majority’ of the Palestinians in the Gazas. The real true is HAMAS is the vocal minority that seizes the political power within this piece of cursed land because majority of the silent Palestinians r sicked of all the fighting, where THEY r the REAL losers & sufferers.
Similarly with the zionist Jews that control the Israelis govt.
It’s a VERY UNFORTUNATE fact that noisy & radical opportunists ALWAYS make the news at the expense of the suffering majority.
MekBound, goes & lives among the people of the GAZAS for just ONE week, THEN perhaps yr anger will then be directed at the right target.
BTW the people of GAZAS, includes Palestinians & Jews, with a few never mentioned minorities, whose ancestry goes as far back as the Palestinians & Jews at the land!
Yr quoting of the 40+ yrs of misery by the Palestinians is one-sided. What about the mental torture of the Israelis Jews, of the constant proclamation of the decimation of their tiny nation by the Arab worlds?
These self-claimed champion of their race thus engage in their own chutzpah of political manipulations. Both r harden by the same psychic anguish & thus both refuse to give-&-take, WITHOUT realising that there r larger group of silent majority, both Palestinians & Jews, who just wanted desperately to live in peace, come what may.
What the Palestinians need is a true leader in the calibre of Nelson Mandela. Because if there is one person who truly understand the sufferings of the Palestinians HE is!
Unfortunately, Mandela is a rare specie of human race that one can only dream & not expect. Thus the real tragedy of the Palestinians & Jews in that piece of curse land.
28 Syafiq 9 January 2009 @ 10:35 am
Hamas, Fatah, Zionist.
Let’s nuke everyone and let God sort them out.
In fact, let’s nuke the whole wide world. God’s knows there are too many assholes to really make any difference these day.
Nuke em all, I say.
29 Amir 9 January 2009 @ 11:20 am
Aisehman
It doesn’t matter if Hamas accepts Israel or not. Israel has, what they believe is their God given right for hegemony. You need to read Jennifer Loewenstein’s article If Hamas Did Not Exist to understand this bro.
Also have you read Imran Hossein’s “Jurusalem in the Quran?” Once you understand what is in store for us, nothing will surprise you. Greater Israel will happen and the emergence of the false messiah has been foretold. Hamas or no Hamas.
30 Fi-sha 9 January 2009 @ 2:04 pm
Dear Bro, please read Dr Ang Swee Chai’s “From Beirut to Jerusalem” to understand why kids and women in Palestines are willing to put their lives in the name of their country. Do you know that Israel has invaded what is now theirs? Why Palestinians elected Hamas instead of Fatah? Go figure bro…
31 doggie dog 9 January 2009 @ 4:30 pm
mekbound,
stop putting ur foot in ur mouth la.. do u know ur history ah?? palestine didnt even exist as a nation until the last 50 years or so(as u claimed) and started shouting like mad dogs for peace, freedom and land and what not.. go brush up ur history la first…
32 sunshine 9 January 2009 @ 9:04 pm
Aisehman,
I believe a learned electronic scholar like you knows the history.
8th Dec 1987 – that’s the date of modern day palestine’s official intifada embarked.
Do you know why Hamas took on the jihad call to wage a war against the Zionists?
Because people like yourself and myself are running into the millions now – “curse the zionists & peace be upon the Palestinians”. FUCK OFF YOU & ME & EVERYBODY. The Palestinians & other brave men just can’t be bothered waiting for help anymore.
And the likes of you, learned electronic scholars, after days and months of ‘discourse & deliberation’, you ended up saying Hamas are the hideous culprits?
You know the Zionists hated the Hamas, and by fabricating the ideas through ‘media circus’ and electronic gadgetry, they have successfully duped you sir, the learned electronic scholar, into believing that the Hamas & Hezbollah are the ones guilty of provoking a barrage of inhumane attacks.
Fuckin ‘ell.
You are a monster, aisehman.
Because people like you should not have been given the luxury of health, wealth & intelligence. For you have forsaken all these blessings and came up on top for the ‘Aku Macam Bagus’ award.
I do not harbour any hatred towards you, aisehman.
I pity you.
A lot of people know what kind of person you are now.
Here you are, talking cock about other people, what they should do according what you think is best.
When YOU, unashamedly are hiding behind this trivial thing call ‘anonymity’ luxury that you carry with you without the slightest amount of feeling grateful.
Here you are, masturbating to your MONTHLY WAGES and keeping a hand-job at home. And still talking cock & balls & fur sometimes, about what the palestinians should’ve done.
And you’re doing this in the name of freedom?
They (in your dictionary it’s the Government, right?) threatened to take your precious job and wages away, and probably ‘life’ too if you speak publicly about them, so you’ve decided few years back to remain anonymous?
and you have the audacity to call Hamas cowards?
YOU’RE A FUCKING DISGRACE.
that’s what you are.
A FUCKING DISGRACE TO YOUR RELIGION.
33 Karl 9 January 2009 @ 9:36 pm
Aisehman:
When naivety within you, then not impossible to read such a naive comment.
Are you trying to do something? For instance, please some quarter?
Shalom.
PS: Perhaps this will help you to understand the scenario better than your ‘coconut shell’ mentality.
The answer is because Israel has no intention of allowing a viable, sovereign Palestinian state on its borders. It had no intention of allowing it in 1948 when it grabbed 24 per cent more land than what it was allotted legally, if unfairly, by UN Resolution 181. It had no intention of allowing it throughout the massacres and ploys of the 1950s. It had no intention of allowing two states when it conquered the remaining 22 per cent of historic Palestine in 1967 and reinterpreted UN Security Council Resolution 248 to its own liking despite the overwhelming international consensus stating that Israel would receive full international recognition within secure and recognized borders if it withdrew from the lands it had only recently occupied.
34 Karl 9 January 2009 @ 9:50 pm
Watching the Dissolution of Palestine
By JENNIFER LOEWENSTEIN
Oxford, England.
For those who haven’t noticed, Israel opposes a two-state solution. It has been doing everything in its power to prevent a Palestinian state from emerging and will continue to do so as long as it can count on the complicity of its powerful friends and on abundant popular indifference. Under such circumstances, it is incumbent upon ourselves to ask why Hamas has therefore been ordered – by Israel and its same powerful friends –to accept “the two-state solution” especially when, unlike Israel, it has stated clearly and repeatedly that it would accept a Palestinian state on the lands occupied by Israel in the 1967 war, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem. Indeed, all of its key spokespeople have said this:Zahar, Haniye, Meshal, and Yassin and Rantisi before they were murdered.
Judea and Samaria which are, or were, the northern and southern West Bank, have been subdivided and parceled out over decades to hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers for their houses and orchards and gardens. They have been crisscrossed and circled with Jewish-only roads that bind the land, the houses and orchards and gardens, to Israel. They have been manned with guards and gunmen and tanks and blue and white Israeli flags that defend, protect and assure the settlers, their houses and orchards and gardens, that they are in fact Israelis belonging to a single Jewish state.
35 Karl 9 January 2009 @ 10:02 pm
Dear Aisehman:
Perhaps, in your wild imagination (as you and me and most visitors of your blog never been into Palestinians’ experience of Israeli policies and aggression) you’ll assume the author, Jennifer Loewenstein (a Jew herself) was paid by rich Arab (maybe bin Laden et. al.).
Could you ever imagine: between their Palestinian (consists of both Muslims and Christians denomination groups) brethren and their survival, which one a priority for Fatah, Saudi-Jordanian monarch,or Mubarak presidency? That’s why not unusual for them to bulldozed Hamas/Palestinians as long as their survival prevail.
It’s too difficult to understand, bro?
Jennifer Loewenstein is a Visiting Research Fellow at Oxford University’s Refugee Studies Centre. She has lived and worked in Gaza City, Beirut and Jerusalem and has traveled extensively throughout the Middle East, where she has worked as a free-lance journalist and a human rights activist.
36 sarah 10 January 2009 @ 1:19 am
MekBound, if u go back on history, you will find out when the Jews moved back to Israel, they did not chase the Palestinians out. In fact, when Israel was formed, they asked them to stay.
It was the neighbouring Arab states which asked the Palestinians to leave, declaring they would declare a holy war and destroy the Jews, then the Palestinians could move back.
And we all know how the “6 day war” ended, don’t we?
Those 40 years of Palestinians living as refugees, the Palestinians have their fellow Arabs to thank for.
Ever wondered why those Arab states haven’t opened up their borders to those poor refugees ? Maybe they intentionally want to keep the status quo to milk it for all it is worth. Some people only thrive if they could find a common enemy – united in hatred!
37 Parrot 10 January 2009 @ 3:59 am
Finally, a certain member of a group who thinks a bit more pragmatically than what I read on the news.
Both sides of the border contribute a fair lot on the current conflict that we see on the media. When opposing quarters choose to side only one of the two parties and attack the other, they are shown to lack a wider perspective of regional affairs, as the entire conflict is the result of countless decisions by both the Arab states and Israel to wage wars against each other, no matter how much more one side contributed. In the end of the day, Palestinian and Israeli civilians are constantly caught in the crossfire.
This is why I am in agreement with organisations and governments who condemn the actions of both Hamas and the Israeli government. This is also why I couldn’t care less about some shitty on-sided boycott Dr M and certain local Muslim organisations are calling for recently. Where were all the protests against crude Hamas rockets that were intentionally fired across the border to solely inflict harm on the civilian population? Beri saya Coca-Cola, Encik, saya tak peduli pasal apa-apa boikot.
38 Siew Eng 10 January 2009 @ 4:10 am
Who created these monsters in the first place? What spawned the other? (’Kristof: The Gaza boomerang’,
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/08/opinion/edkristof.php)
I don’t understand how the Israel government’s genocidal mission can find support from Christians here (mostly middle-class Chinese, I
noticed), who take it as a religious war when it’s originally about land.
What I can understand is the bubbling anger arising from suffering unrelenting indignities, oppression and unspeakable horrors that have
been normalised and brushed aside by world mainstream thinking. I can totally relate to this – “Many Gazans scorn Fatah as corrupt and incompetent, and they dislike Hamas’ overzealousness and repression. But when they are suffering and humiliated, they find it emotionally satisfying to see Hamas fighting back…My courageous New York Times colleague in Gaza, Taghreed el-Khodary, quoted a 37-year-old father weeping over the corpse of his 11-year-old daughter: ‘From now on, I am Hamas. I choose resistance.’” (from the IHT article above)
If Starhawk, a Jew, can be honest about the very basic problem and offer a solution for peace, requiring sacrifice on both sides (http://www.starhawk.org/activism/activism-writings/israel_palestine/on_gaza12-08.html), why can’t we, who have so much less at stake, see that as clearly?
At least one middle-class Chinese did see the heart of the matter – Dr Ang Swee Chai, who wrote “From Beirut to Jerusalem”, a book recounting
her experiences as a volunteer doctor for Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, and whose support for Israel was completely turned around
after witnessing the Sabra-Shatila massacre.
Also revealing, from ‘What you don’t know about Gaza’
(http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/08/opinion/edkhalidi.php: “This war on the people of Gaza isn’t really about rockets. Nor is it about
‘restoring Israel’s deterrence’, as the Israeli press might have you believe.
Far more revealing are the words of Moshe Yaalon, then the Israeli Defense Forces chief of staff, in 2002: ‘The Palestinians must be made to understand in the deepest recesses of their consciousness that they are a defeated people.’”
As Starhawk says: “I don’t get how my own people can be doing this. Or rather, I do get it. I am a Jew, by birth and upbringing, born six years after the Holocaust ended, raised on the myth and hope of Israel. The myth goes like this:
‘For two thousand years we wandered in exile, homeless and persecuted, nearly destroyed utterly by the Nazis. But out of that suffering was born one good thing-the homeland that we have come back to, our own land at last, where we can be safe, and proud, and strong.’
That’s a powerful story, a moving story. There’s only one problem with it-it leaves the Palestinians out. It has to leave them out, for if we were to admit that the homeland belonged to another people, well, that spoils the story.”
39 BritishMalayan 10 January 2009 @ 8:06 am
Aisehman,
I don’t normally like to engage in debates about this online, so I will refrain. All I can offer are these, to watch in your spare time. These are documentaries done by the Americans and British.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3740797934091220239 (Tom Hayes ‘ People & The Land) – follow up: http://www.adc.org/thelink.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=746557429802139093 (John Pilger’s Palestine is still the issue)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589 (Occupation 101)
40 Burstaxon 10 January 2009 @ 1:42 pm
Dear Aisehman,
Now can I expect to see an equally damning commentary from you towards the Israelis? Well, for ‘unintentionally’ killing so many pure and sinless Palestinian kids, in their effort to demoralised the coward Hamas fighters.
Or they are not worth your damnation because they did not announce it on TV with their faces covered with scarves?
The same way they are not sanctioned for having nukes, because it’s not official.
I would like to be as liberal as you are, but most of the times, I try to see reasons for certain actions.
In this case, while it is not justified, it is understandable,coming from their point of view.
I have Palestinian friends who are not allowed back to Gaza or West Bank.
See, even to go back to your home too, you’ll need Israeli’s permission.
Even Egypt, needs Israeli’s permission to open Gaza crossing to evacuate the refugees ( which they haven’t).
41 Burstaxon 10 January 2009 @ 1:46 pm
I’m sure you are adept at world diplomacy already but this article is quite interesting.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123154826952369919.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
42 juslo 10 January 2009 @ 2:10 pm
i think people who criticise Aisehman really should learn ‘PRECISION READING’, aka b more sophisticated, before they fire Aisehman.
to my understanding, he’s trying to criticise the METHOD used by Hamas to fight – sorry, it’s NT ‘FIGHT’, it’s just to PROVOKE – the zionists, he’s NOT condemning Hamas’ CAUSE, or their part in struggling for a Palestinian homeland, against zionists, nor is he supporting the zionist cause.
– now THAT’s a VERY PRECISE argument, which most of the numbskulls in malaysia r INCAPABLE OF. those numbskulls who refuse to THINK critically n logically should learn some sophistication first, such as go to/back to uni.
specifically in terms of METHOD, he’s also condemning Hamas’ advocacy of a MONSTROUS TACTIC of targetting CHILDREN – n doing that IN THE NAME OF GOD lagi!! my god… those who cant see how this is BARBARIC (n UNislamic too, AM I RIGHT??? DONT TELL ME THIS IS HALAL!!!) should have their moral compass fixed.
those numbskulls who r only capable of thinking in terms of black OR white would not b able to comprehend how a person like Aisehman can support 90% of what Hamas stands for BUT AT THE SAME TIME CONDEMN AND REPUDIATE the remaining 10%. for these morons, either u support Hamas 100%, or 0%.
“Either u r with us, or against us.”
so, if i were Aisehman, i wouldnt give a fuck about the rants of these cowboys who CANT THINK STRAIGHT – if at all. but i would NOT support censoring them – let them embarrass themselves bcos the rest of us could snigger at how they r barking up the wrong tree n making a fool of themselves BUT STILL believe that what they say is so very smart.
about how Hamas’ desperate n cruel behaviour is somehow ‘understandable’ bcos of the sufferings they have been true n the desperate state they r living in: yes, we can understand n sympathise with that, but that DOESNT mean that we cannot condemn them for behaving STUPID or advocating EVIL.
otherwise, we can NEVER punish a very poor person (or anybody who deserve our sympathy) for murder or rape or – lest we forget – for doing something SO EVIL as what was done to Nurin.
learn to understand why people say “YES, AND NO”, morons.
as to Aisehman’s anonymity – this is basically shooting the messenger, ad hominen. a person’s identity should NOT affect the validity of his arguments AT ALL unless u want to accuse him of applying double standards, like condemning Hamas today but keeping quiet about Israel last week. otherwise, i cant see how is anybody’s anonymity is any of your fucking business.
otherwise, NOBODY would get to say anything bcos we cant find ANYBODY who is universally accepted by ALL people to have impeccable moral standing to say everything or anything: not even Abraham/Ibrahim, Moses/Musa, Jesus Christ/Isa, Prophet Mohammed, the Buddha, Mahatma Ghandi… n just imagine how much more screwed up the world would have been if these people were asked to shut the fuck up by the society living at their time.
if Aisehman were to use his anonymity as a cloak for his TERRORIST, BARBARIC acts against children or Israel too, THEN it would b relevant, bcos he’s doing EXACTLY what Hamas is doing so he has no moral standing to say it. BUT EVEN THEN, what he says is still valid – it’s just that it was embarrassing for him to say it, that’s all.
but the irony is this: if u dont think anonymity gives Aisehman any moral standing to say the things he has said here, THEN WHY PAY ATTENTION TO HIM, a mere coward rat or whining mosquito???!!
JUST BUGGER OFF LAH, idiots!!!!!!
43 burstaxon 11 January 2009 @ 12:58 am
Again, for your reading pleasure. I can understand sentiment of the non-muslim Mahathir haters but not you, Aisehman.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-why-do-they-hate-the-west-so-much-we-will-ask-1230046.html
Extract:
Have we forgotten the 17,500 dead – almost all civilians, most of them children and women – in Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon; the 1,700 Palestinian civilian dead in the Sabra-Chatila massacre; the 1996 Qana massacre of 106 Lebanese civilian refugees, more than half of them children, at a UN base; the massacre of the Marwahin refugees who were ordered from their homes by the Israelis in 2006 then slaughtered by an Israeli helicopter crew; the 1,000 dead of that same 2006 bombardment and Lebanese invasion, almost all of them civilians?
44 lembu 11 January 2009 @ 6:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVEgA8FEJ00&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELYEv8Ev5yg&feature=related
sighs
45 sunshine 12 January 2009 @ 4:46 am
Aisehman, just want to share a bit about history with you. Hopefully this piece will go harmoniously into accord with your interpretation of history.
Here goes.
A CONFLICT MADE BY THE WEST
What are the roots of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians?
The origins of the conflict go back to the foundation of Israel in 1948. The state was built upon the dispossession of the Palestinians after a campaign of ethnic cleansing by Zionist gangs. It has been followed by 60 years of continual Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people.
Zionism – the demand for a Jewish “homeland” in Palestine – emerged as a movement in Europe in the late 19th century as a response to growing antisemitism there. At first only a small minority of Jews backed this movement.
The Zionists claimed that Palestine was “a land without a people for a people without land”. But that land did have a people. “The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man,” as two rabbis visiting Palestine in 1897 put it.
The Zionist movement was slow to start. At the end of the First World War there were only 56,000 Jewish settlers living in Palestine compared to around one million Arabs.
Zionist leaders looked to the major imperial powers to help them take over the land from the outset. At first that meant working with Britain, which ran Palestine as its colony after the First World War. After the Second World War, it meant a turn to the US.
In 1947 the United Nations (UN) drew up a partition plan for Palestine that gave Zionist settlers 55 percent of the country – even though they made up just a third of the population and owned only 6 percent of the land.
But even this was not enough. In March 1948 Zionist militias launched a campaign of terror to grab as much of the country as they could. They murdered hundreds of Arab villagers and ethnically cleansed 750,000 people.
The Palestinians fled to poverty and oppression in Gaza, the West Bank and other countries, while Israel claimed around 80 percent of historic Palestine.
Today Israel’s “law of return” allows anyone of Jewish descent to emigrate to Israel – but denies the Palestinians their right to go home.
Israel seized the rest of historic Palestine in 1967. It has since plundered Gaza and the West Bank, brutally cracking down on any form of Palestinian resistance or organisation.
Why is Israel involved in so many wars?
Israel has been constantly at war ever since its inception. It is a heavily militarised state, supplied with the most advanced weaponry by the West, including nuclear warheads. It has one of the most modern armies in the world, despite having a population of only 7.3 million.
The country has built up its military might for two reasons – to keep the Palestinian people down and to act as the “watchdog” for Western interests in the region. It has used its power to humble Arab movements that have threatened imperial dominance in the Middle East.
Israel teamed up with Britain and France to launch a war against Egypt in 1956. The country went to war with Egypt, Syria and Jordan in 1967.
It was involved in another war with Egypt and Syria in 1973. Israel has invaded Lebanon three times – in 1978, 1982 and 2006.
The country has also carried out numerous incursions into Egypt, Syria and Lebanon. It bombed Iraq’s nuclear power plant in 1981. Its army occupied parts of south Lebanon from 1978 to 2000, when resistance led by Hizbollah forced it to withdraw.
The current onslaught on Gaza will not be Israel’s last war. The state’s colonial and imperial nature will inevitably lead to more conflicts, more bombs and more deaths.
Why does the West back Israel?
In the late 19th century Britain occupied Egypt and controlled the Suez Canal. This link between the Red Sea and the Mediterranean was a crucial artery for the military and economic power of the British Empire.
Britain feared that growing national resistance movements in the Arab world could threaten its control over the canal. But the First World War provided Britain with an opportunity to secure Egypt’s northern border and the Suez Canal.
As British troops marched in Jerusalem in 1917, foreign secretary Arthur Balfour made a deal with the Zionist movement to turn Palestine into a colonial outpost of the empire.
As the British governor of Jerusalem declared, the new Zionist state would serve as “a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism”.
This relationship between Israel and Western imperialism was summed up in a famous article published by Israel’s Haaretz newspaper in 1951. “Israel is to become the watchdog,” it declared.
“There is no fear that Israel will undertake any aggressive policy towards the Arab states when this would explicitly contradict the wishes of the US and Britain. But if for any reasons the Western powers should sometimes prefer to close their eyes, Israel could be relied upon to punish one or several neighbouring states whose discourtesy to the West went beyond the bounds of the permissible.”
When the US replaced Britain as the dominant power in the Middle East, Israel duly switched allegiance.
Israel proved itself again when it crushed the armies of Egypt, Syria and Jordan in the Six-Day War. This victory convinced the US that Israel could solve its problems in the Middle East at a time when it was struggling to maintain control over Vietnam.
The interests of the US and Israel have remained interlocked ever since. Every Israeli action has had US interests in mind. And this relationship has become more important since the 1979 revolution in Iran and the current US disaster in Iraq.
As the anger wells up once again in the streets of Arab capitals, the US needs Israel more than ever to be its “watchdog” in the Middle East.
Isn’t there a history of hatred between Jews and Arabs?
Many people argue that Arabs and Jews can never live together, and claim there is a long tradition of enmity between the two people. But this is not borne out by history.
The roots of the current hostility are very modern, stemming from the Zionist colonial movement that seized Palestine. But prior to that every Arab capital had a community of Jews living alongside their Muslim and Christian neighbours.
Jews have been an important part of life in Jerusalem, Cairo, Damascus, Beirut, Rabat and Baghdad and other Arab cities since the beginning of recorded history.
There are hundreds of Jewish names on the memorial to Iraqis who died fighting British colonialism in the 1920s. They were an important part of the nationalist and left-wing Arab movements that grew in the 1920s and 1930s in the struggle against imperialism.
This all changed after the establishment of Israel. Arab Jews were forced out of their homes by the Arab dictators and kings put in place by the West. This process was encouraged by Israel.
These Arab Jews became second class citizens within Israel. They have never been welcome at the top of Israeli society. Many have clung to their Arab culture – and to the dream of returning home one day.
As in so many other regions of the world, the divisions, discord and hatred between people in the Middle East are a bitter legacy of Western imperialism.
Isn’t a “two state solution” the best we can hope for?
Many people advocate a “two state solution” to the conflict – partitioning historic Palestine into two states, one for the Israelis and another for the Palestinians.
And on the surface this may seem to be the most realistic solution. But what would these two states look like?
Most plans involve two small Palestinian mini-states in the Gaza Strip and parts of the West Bank separated from each other by Israel.
The Palestinians would be crammed into these tiny plots of land, while the lion’s share of historic Palestine would remain under Israeli control.
At no point would the millions of Palestinian refugees be able to return to their villages. But the question of the “right of return” is central to any just and lasting solution of the conflict.
Those who advocate a two state solution cannot square the circle of how to reconcile land and people. In contrast, the one state solution – a unified multi-ethnic state encompassing all of historic Palestine – can deal with these seemingly intractable problems.
The majority of Palestinian villages lie empty – many are simply piles of ruins. They could easily be rebuilt and handed back to their original inhabitants.
Those wishing to return to cities could easily be accommodated. Israel has opened its borders to millions of immigrants without any problems. Can the same not be done for Palestinians?
The main barrier to a one state solution is not practical considerations, but the nature of Zionism itself. This is a movement that seeks to create a Jewish-only state – and a one state solution is fundamentally incompatible with such a racist ideology.
Haven’t the Palestinians been offered their own state in the “peace process”?
Western politicians and the media like to claim that the US-backed peace process is the only way to bring about justice for the Palestinians and peace in the Middle East.
The Oslo accords, signed in 1993, were supposed to give Palestinians autonomy in 17 percent of the West Bank and 60 percent of the Gaza Strip. Eventually this was meant to lead to the creation of a fullblown Palestinian state.
The 1987 Palestinian uprising known as the Intifada put great pressure on Israel to come to an agreement. But Israel still saw Palestine as belonging solely to it and wanted to retain control over as much as the country as possible.
Israel allowed Yasser Arafat, the head of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation, to become the leader of the new Palestinian Authority. He made huge concessions to Israel, which then allowed him to police his own people on its behalf.
Israel remained in control of the roads, resources, and huge areas of land that it had seized in 1967. The number of Israeli settlers in the occupied territories doubled between the signing of the peace deal and 2000.
The Palestinian areas resemble “bantustans” – the supposedly autonomous black states within apartheid South Africa, which were in reality controlled by the racist regime.
The “peace process” did nothing to improve the lives of Palestinians. Anger at this led to the outbreak of the Second Intifada in September 2000.
Israel withdrew its settlements and soldiers from the Gaza Strip in 2005, but retained its dominance over its airspace, sea and borders. It has tried to destroy resistance by targeting the Hamas organisation, which won the Palestinian Authority elections in 2006.
What is the role of the Arab masses?
Every question on the Middle East has to return to that of imperialism. It is imperialism that created Israel and imperialism that sustains it today.
The priority of imperialism might have shifted from the Suez Canal to the oil fields, but the world’s major powers still consider the Middle East region the “greatest material prize in world history”, as the US state department declared in 1945.
Imperialism needs Israel as its “unsinkable aircraft carrier”, because the Arab regimes are in constant danger of being toppled by popular rebellions.
This anger among ordinary people in the Arab world is also about how oil revenues have been squandered by a tiny Western-backed elite. It is about land, jobs, poverty and hunger.
On recent demonstrations in Egypt protesters have chanted against both Israel and the Egyptian regime of Hosni Mubarak. Similar slogans can be heard in every Arab capital.
Most of the Arab regimes are also dependent on imperialism for survival. They fear that popular anger over the Palestinians could trigger a wave of rebellions like those that swept away many corrupt regimes in the 1950s and 1960s.
The mass protests in Egypt today are a result of anger against both imperialism and the Egyptian regime. The strikes against privatisation and for a minimum wage are feeding into the anger over Palestine. This anger is in turn raising the prospect of more strikes and demonstrations.
That is why they fear and loath resistance organisations such as Hamas in Palestine or Hizbollah in Lebanon. Any resistance is a challenge to Israel, the West – and to the Arab regimes.
46 sunshine 12 January 2009 @ 1:44 pm
juslo – defender of the universe.
47 sunshine 12 January 2009 @ 1:46 pm
doggie dog,
you go and brush up your history lessons first. and foremost.
48 NotATebuan 12 January 2009 @ 5:09 pm
Hamas “menjolok sarang tebuan” alright. Same thing Altantuya who flew here and there when she’s supposed to stay home raise her child. She should’ve known better not to menjolok sarang tebuan. After all, it’s not like that Sirul and/or Azilah fed on killing Mongolians. Those two tebuans didn’t even know where’s Mongolia on a blank map. Just like Hamas, Altantuya should’ve said “yes to all”. One “no” and the tebuan will get mad. Hamas should’ve said yes to Israeli occupation, yes to Biblical “rights to return”, yes to “get the hell out and live somewhere else within Arabia”, yes to “the whole of Jerusalem belong to the Israelis (Al-Aqsa and Nativity included)”, yes to everything demanded by the Israelis. Altantuya should’ve said yes to “no commision” as well as yes to “get the hell out and go back to Mongolia and please make no noise whatsoever.”
Both are pigheaded and paid for underestimating the tebuans. Long live the tebuans.
49 lembu 12 January 2009 @ 8:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzygb6vf_6w
i support hamas….
50 habisboy 13 January 2009 @ 2:52 am
Hi Sunshine,
Appreciate the detailed explanation of the background to the situation.
Perhaps you could further elaborate with regard to the US response to the UK/French/Israeli invasion of Egypt after Nasser nationalised the Suez Canal and also, Yasser Arafat’s rejection of the US-brokered peace deal in 2000.
51 Amir 13 January 2009 @ 11:43 am
The Roots of the Conflict
4 January 2009
Those who are familiar intimately with Israeli people realise that they are completely uninformed about the roots of the conflict that dominates their lives. If you wonder how come the Israelis don’t know their history, the answer is pretty simple, they have never been told, notes Gilad Atzmon.
Communicating with Israelis may leave one bewildered. Even now when the Israeli Air Force is practicing murder in broad daylight of hundreds of civilians, elderly persons, women and children, the Israeli people manage to convince themselves that they are the real victims in this violent saga.
Those who are familiar intimately with Israeli people realise that they are completely uninformed about the roots of the conflict that dominates their lives. Rather often Israelis manage to come up with some bizarre arguments that may make a lot of sense within the Israeli discourse, yet make no sense whatsoever outside of the Jewish street. Such an argument goes as follows: ‘those Palestinians, why do they insist upon living on our land (Israel), why can’t they just settle in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon or any other Arab country?’
Astonishingly enough, the Israelis fail to understand who the Palestinians are, where they come from and what they stand for. They fail to grasp that for the Palestinians, Palestine is home. Miraculously, the Israelis manage to fail to grasp that Israel had been erected at the expense of the Palestinian people, on Palestinian land, on Palestinian villages, towns, fields and orchards. The Israelis do not realise that Palestinians in Gaza and in refugee camps in the region are actually dispossessed people from Ber Shive, Yafo, Tel Kabir, Shekh Munis, Lod, Haifa, Jerusalem and many more towns and villages. If you wonder how come the Israelis don’t know their history, the answer is pretty simple, they have never been told. The circumstances that led to the Israeli Palestinian conflict are well hidden within their culture. Traces of pre-1948 Palestinian civilisation on the land had been wiped out. Not only the Nakba, the 1948 ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinians, is not part of the Israeli curriculum, it is not even mentioned or discussed in any Israeli official or academic forum.
In the very centre of almost every Israeli town one can a find a 1948 memorial statue displaying a very bizarre, almost abstract, pipe work. The plumbing feature is called Davidka and it is actually a 1948 Israeli mortar cannon. Interestingly enough, the Davidka was an extremely ineffective weapon. Its shells wouldn’t reach more than 300 meters and would cause very limited damage. Though the Davidika would cause just minimal harm, it produced a lot of noise. According to the Israeli official historical narrative, the Arabs i.e., Palestinians, simply ran away for their lives once they heard the Davidka from afar. According to the Israeli narrative, the Jews i.e., ‘new Israelis’ did a bit of fireworks and the ‘Arab cowards’ just ran off like idiots. In the Israeli official narrative there is no mention of the many orchestrated massacres conducted by the young IDF and the paramilitary units that preceded it. There is no mention also of the racist laws that stop Palestinians from returning to their homes and lands.
The meaning of the above is pretty simple. Israelis are totally unfamiliar with the Palestinian cause. Hence, they can only interpret the Palestinian struggle as a murderous irrational lunacy. Within the Israeli Judeo- centric solipsistic universe, the Israeli is an innocent victim and the Palestinian is no less than a savage murderer.
This grave situation that leaves the Israeli in the dark regarding his past demolishes any possibility of future reconciliation. Since the Israeli lacks the minimal comprehension of the conflict, he cannot contemplate any possible resolution except extermination or cleansing of the ‘enemy’. All the Israeli is entitled to know are various phantasmic narratives of Jewish suffering. Palestinian pain is completely foreign to his ears. ‘Palestinian right of return’ sounds to him like an amusing idea. Even the most advanced ‘Israeli humanists’ are not ready to share the land with its indigenous inhabitants. This doesn’t leave the Palestinians with many options but to liberate themselves against all odds. Clearly, there is no partner for peace on the Israel side.
This week we all learned more about the ballistic capability of Hamas. Evidently, Hamas was rather restrained with Israel for more than a long while. It refrained from escalating the conflict to the whole of southern Israel . It occurred to me that the barrages of Qassams that have been landing sporadically on Sderot and Ashkelon were actually nothing but a message from the imprisoned Palestinians: a message to the stolen land, homes fields and orchards.
Let’s face it, realistically the situation in Israel is rather grave. Two years ago it was Hezbollah rockets that pounded northern Israel . This week the Hamas proved beyond doubt that it is capable of serving the South of Israel with some cocktail of ballistic vengeance. Both in the case of the Hezbollah and the case of the Hamas, Israel was left with no military answer. It can no doubt kill civilians but it fails to stop the rocket barrage. The IDF lacks the means of protecting Israel unless covering Israel with a solid concrete roof is a viable solution. At the end of the day, they might be planning just that.
The Israelis have lost nothing in Gaza . All they want is to finish the Nakba. They drop bombs on Palestinians in order to wipe them out. They want the Palestinians out of the region. It is obviously not going to work, Palestinians will stay.
There is no exit strategy. It can’t negotiate its way out because neither the Israelis nor their leadership understand the elementary parameters involved in the conflict. Israel lacks the military power to conclude the battle. It may manage to kill Palestinian grassroots leaders, it has been doing it for years, yet Palestinian resistance and persistence is growing fierce rather than weakening. As an IDF intelligence general predicted already at the first Intifada. ‘In order to win, all Palestinians have to do is to survive’.
Israeli leaders understand it all. Israel has already tried everything, unilateral withdrawal, starvation and now extermination. It thought to evade the demographic danger by shrinking into an intimate cosy Jewish ghetto. Nothing worked. It is Palestinian persistence in the shape of Hamas politics that defines the future of the region.
All that is left to Israelis is to cling to their blindness and escapism. The Israelis will sing their familiar various victim anthems. Being imbued in a self-centred supremacist reality, they will be utterly involved in their own pain yet completely blind to the pain they inflict on others. Uniquely enough, the Israelis are operating as a unified collective when dropping bombs on others, yet, once being slightly hurt, they all manage to become monads of vulnerable innocence. It is this discrepancy between the self-image and the way they are seen by the rest of us which turns the Israeli into a monstrous exterminator.
Gilad Atzmon was born in Israel and served in the Israeli military. He is the author of two novels: A Guide to the Perplexed and My One and Only Love. Atzmon is also one of the most accomplished jazz saxophonists in Europe . His CD, Exile, was named the year’s best jazz CD by the BBC. He now lives in London and can be reached through his website: gilad.co.uk.
52 Jimmy 13 January 2009 @ 3:29 pm
Salaam.
Please read here : http://anaksihamid.blogspot.com/2009/01/from-cikgus-note-books-to-ignoramuses.html
Sorry for the cut & paste job.
53 lung 13 January 2009 @ 7:20 pm
Aisehman,
Looks like you have managed to draw out the bigots & the “blind to the truth” scumbags, from both sides of the divide.
Hamas “supporters” fuming at your piece whilst Israel apologists taking pleasure at hitting out at Hamas, piggy-backing on your comments on Hamas.
I find it so despairing to have people with such sentiments in our midst.So blind to the basic fact that killing in whatever/whoever’s name is so wrong, more so when one can legitamize the murder of children.
And to top that, shoot the messenger whilst missing the REAL message being conveyed.
I strongly support resistance to Israel’s occupation & continued oppression (a murderous one). But resistance must not slide to the level of barbarians.
Just because Israel kills with such barbarity & without distinction between combatants & civilians, does not make it alright to do the same in the name of resistance.
The resistance has to rise above that. And that’s where we come in. We & all right thinking people must activate to put an end to Israel’s continued murderous tyranny.
As some have rightly said, it’s time to do a “South Africa”. It dealt with aparthied.
54 sunshine 13 January 2009 @ 11:44 pm
Mr Lung,
It is only convenient for us to debate any subject per se.
We do not live in horror day after another.
We succumbed to complacency when it comes to impeccable amount of human despair.
Mr Aisehman here is proposing a thought that might dwell well within the Zionist’s frame of mind.
What most people forget, and let us be clear about that, is the inhumane treatment & gross negligence of the Zionists since its false inception onto the people of Palestine.
This is the very crux of the matter – freedom.
To do a ‘South Africa’ in Israel (read Palestine), is not going to solve anything as long as the world shut her eyes.
Even in present South Africa, it seems that only the Whites are benefiting the bulk of the prosperous of past plunder.
The Blacks of SA are still in going nowhere.
But as you proposed Mr Lung, it is a step forward.
It is not a step forward to ’share’ the Palestinian land with the Zionists, it is more of returning the land the Palestinians.
55 sunshine 13 January 2009 @ 11:54 pm
Mr Habisboy,
Please read on George Caffentzis’ From Stealing to Robbing work at
http://www.radicalpolytics.org/caffentzis/08-from_stealing_to_robbing.pdf
If it has any relation to your question.
56 Abu 14 January 2009 @ 12:03 pm
dah sudah…jangan gaduh gaduh. Let`s continue our secular way of life like Karpal singh said,
So many secular malay drama`s right now on tv macam spa q…lantaklah apa yang berlaku di sana. Yang penting kita di Malaysia aman damai tak macam negara lain…If we do not count crime rate here.
1) By the way , i view hamas and fatah just like DAP and MCA or Gerakan…PEOPLE VOTE DAP BECAUSE MCA TOO WEAK AND FOLLOWING THEIR MASTERS (BN) LIKE A DOG…Just like Palestine …PEOPLE DEMOCRATICALLY VOTE HAMAS BECAUSE FATAH IS TOO WEAK AND FOLLOWING THEIR MASTERS (THE ISRAELITES) LIKE A DOG…
2) I sokong Mekbound…
http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story
57 yoges 14 January 2009 @ 1:35 pm
this is a totally different perspective from everything i have read before. thanks aisehman!
58 lembu 14 January 2009 @ 9:31 pm
Sixteen days into its attack, Israel continues to bombard all areas in the Gaza strip from F16s, Apache helicopters, ships and tanks. Weapons used against our people include white phosphorus rockets, made in America, which burn the skin black and destroy human soft tissue completely. Now we can hear shooting around the outskirts of Gaza City.
Ninety per cent of the targets attacked are civilian. Of nearly 900 confirmed dead, 32% are children. More than 40% of the 4,000 wounded are children, while medical centres and 13 ambulances have been destroyed.
Hamas is not the only group fighting against this aggression: its fighters are joined by members of Islamic Jihad, the PFLP and Fatah. But the popularity of Hamas has increased during the invasion. Every occupied people has the right to resist if negotiation fails. People know very well that those who took the other path – of negotiation without resistance – got nothing from it: only more settlements, checkpoints, killings, prisoners and occupation without end.
We have made clear our conditions for a ceasefire: a halt to the aggression, full withdrawal and the lifting of the siege. We have rejected any international force inside the Gaza Strip, but international monitoring at the crossings can be discussed. However, last week’s UN security council resolution has given a green light for the Israelis to continue their killing under an international umbrella.
Now that their massacres of women and children and their destruction of schools and mosques have been exposed before the world, the Zionists’ propaganda machine is trying to discredit our liberation struggle more desperately than ever. Through flagrant misquotation and mistranslation, they have falsely claimed that Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar has called for the killing of Jewish children around the world and attacks on synagogues.
He did no such thing – nor would any Hamas spokesman. Such a call would be against Islam and the teachings of the Prophet, who prohibited the killing of children and attacks on places of worship. And from the beginning of our struggle, Hamas has always insisted that its operations are restricted to the field of battle, Palestine itself.
What Dr Zahar did do is warn that by carrying out these barbaric massacres of children and women, and by destroying our mosques, the Zionists are creating the conditions for people to believe it is justified or legitimate to take revenge. That is not the call of Hamas. Dr Zahar did not even mention “Jews” in his comments. And throughout this latest offensive, hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed, while not a single Israeli child has died.
Our struggle is not against the Jewish people, but against oppression and occupation. This is not a religious war. We have no quarrel with the Jewish people. We welcome and appreciate the stand taken by leading Jewish figures in Britain and around the world against Israel’s aggression against Gaza and for the rights of our people. It is also not the case, as has been claimed, that Hamas is seeking to enforce sharia law in Gaza: we respect the democratic process and individual rights.
The continuing attempt to discredit and demonise Hamas by Israel, and its US backer, cannot hide the real atrocities and massacres they are now inflicting on our people. Hamas and its administration in Gaza remains intact, despite the devastation. This aggression will not succeed.
Basim Naim is the minister of health in the Hamas government in Gaza.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/13/gaza-israelandthepalestinians
59 whatswrong withtheworld 15 January 2009 @ 10:43 am
Its sad how the world’s strong feed on the peoples faith to do their bidding. Innocent people die everyday from all sides. Both the Jews and the Arabs deserve to live carefree lives in which ever country or land of their choosing, what is it that divides man but their faith, and the strong know this and bluntly take advantage of this fact. people turn to religion in their everyday lives so manipulating it isn’t difficult. Both sides want an identity both sides wont back off, both sides will get consequential pain and suffering. the strong survive to fight another battle until another worthy opponent comes in the picture. this is the reality of the world we live in. Innocent people die be it the elderly or the children , human life is human life regardless of age, nothing justifies their untimely end at the hands of politics.
the ultimate world will be one where people are citizens of the world with out race or religion to separate them ( John Lennon got shot for this notion). I say lets just be humans , not Muslims or Christians or Hindus or Jews. With out something to play on sentiments will remain in control. Unrealistic i agree, will never see it in my lifetime perhaps not in the next few generations as well, but we are getting there day day more and more people lose faith in religion, and this is a stepping stone to when people will start just being people . The children of Palestine i feel for you, the people of Israel i feel for you. The people of the world i feel for you all. Here we are sitting and arguing taking sides on who is to blame and who isn’t. The blame is on the sentiments that we are controlled by and that we cant controlled. the blame is on the one thing that divides us humans.Religion/Faith. A control mechanism thousand years in the making , more effective now then ever.
Let us just be humans.we will respect life more like that. We will feel pain when a human dies. not when a Christian , Muslim or Jew dies at the hands of another. Does the Christian, Muslim or jew not feel pain, does he not bleed, does he not have family that love him and family that he loves back. What makes us different , an affiliation we dint have a choice on when we were born in this world. Should we let this affiliation dictate us and the way we think.
Lets just be Humans.
60 albert skoope 19 January 2009 @ 3:52 pm
One thing I respect Hamas that they would budge an inch for their land. If it were reversed, the malays and Palestinians, the Malays would conceed their lands to the Israelis and declare it Win-win situation and live in peace albeit in apartheid state (rem White Rock Island & Singapore ). The Brits would even go to war half way across the world to protect our piece of land (rem Falklands). Those who fight for their rights are never cowards those who don’t are.
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